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Mar 19 2009, 3:55 pm
House passes AIG tax bill. What now?
It passed 328-93, with mostly Republic opposition. And the Republic opposition seems to have been motivated less by any principled objection to the bill than by a vaguely jealous sense that the Democrats shouldn't get credit for spanking AIG: The AP says: "Minority Leader John Boehner,
R-Ohio, said the bill was 'a political circus' diverting attention from
why the administration hadn't done more to block the bonuses before
they were paid." But the circus certainly preceded this bill, and I'm sure it will tumble on for some time.
So where does it go from here? A few theories:
1. The strongly cynical view is that this bill will have disastrous consequences for every company that has received a government bailout, and any company that might consider taking a government bailout in the future. If you buy the arguments that labor markets in these industries are still competitive, then it will make it harder for companies that accept large amount of bailout funds to attract and retain employees. This will result in poorer performance by companies that the government de facto owns: it will be propping up increasingly vitiated and labor-starved institutions.
2. The mildly cynical view is that the bill won't really matter a great deal. If you restrict compensation for companies that accept $5 billion or more in TARP funds, then you will increase the number of companies who accept $4.9 billion bailouts. If you restrict bonus compensation for employees with incomes in excess of $250,000, then you will decrease the amount of "bonus" compensation and increase the amount of "salary" compensation. This is roughly analogous to the position that water runs downhill.
3. The mildly optimistic view is that the mildly cynical view is correct, but that's okay: the bill succeeds in satisfying populist ire with little negative impact and makes the government look effective. Evil corporations are chastened; Congress rides off on a white horse. Maidens swoon; children toss flowers.
4. The strongly optimistic view is that the compensation in question was preposterously inflated to begin with and will now shoot down to a more more rational level. This is a net gain for the companies, who were hamstrung by crazy compensation arrangements even if they didn't know it. It is also a victory for fairness and common sense. Maidens swoon; cherubic children toss flowers.
I think I'm a mild cynic.
But that's judging the bill solely by its immediate consequences. I still think, as I wrote in the last post (and in too many others), that the theory and origins of this bill are questionable, for four reasons: (1) The law is being pushed through quickly and we haven't had time to think about the unintended consequences; (2) It is retroactive, and we should want to discourage laws that are retroactive; (3) it targets an extremely small portion of the population, and we should discourage laws that are not general in application; and (4) it is, at least in part, motivated by a punitive impulse that isn't necessarily the best thing for our politics.
So where does it go from here? A few theories:
1. The strongly cynical view is that this bill will have disastrous consequences for every company that has received a government bailout, and any company that might consider taking a government bailout in the future. If you buy the arguments that labor markets in these industries are still competitive, then it will make it harder for companies that accept large amount of bailout funds to attract and retain employees. This will result in poorer performance by companies that the government de facto owns: it will be propping up increasingly vitiated and labor-starved institutions.
2. The mildly cynical view is that the bill won't really matter a great deal. If you restrict compensation for companies that accept $5 billion or more in TARP funds, then you will increase the number of companies who accept $4.9 billion bailouts. If you restrict bonus compensation for employees with incomes in excess of $250,000, then you will decrease the amount of "bonus" compensation and increase the amount of "salary" compensation. This is roughly analogous to the position that water runs downhill.
3. The mildly optimistic view is that the mildly cynical view is correct, but that's okay: the bill succeeds in satisfying populist ire with little negative impact and makes the government look effective. Evil corporations are chastened; Congress rides off on a white horse. Maidens swoon; children toss flowers.
4. The strongly optimistic view is that the compensation in question was preposterously inflated to begin with and will now shoot down to a more more rational level. This is a net gain for the companies, who were hamstrung by crazy compensation arrangements even if they didn't know it. It is also a victory for fairness and common sense. Maidens swoon; cherubic children toss flowers.
I think I'm a mild cynic.
But that's judging the bill solely by its immediate consequences. I still think, as I wrote in the last post (and in too many others), that the theory and origins of this bill are questionable, for four reasons: (1) The law is being pushed through quickly and we haven't had time to think about the unintended consequences; (2) It is retroactive, and we should want to discourage laws that are retroactive; (3) it targets an extremely small portion of the population, and we should discourage laws that are not general in application; and (4) it is, at least in part, motivated by a punitive impulse that isn't necessarily the best thing for our politics.










Oh, you aren't being pessimistic (cynical) enough by far!
If the House version is the model of the final bill, 100% of bonuses will disappear, not just for AIG, but Citi and the other bailed out banks, Fannie and Freddie, and so on. And this isn't just a haircut for the people involved. This is a drastic, retroactive cut in their pay. With this kind of scrutiny on them, it's unlikely they can just up everyone's base salary.
So the really cynical view is that the AIG execs, who have money in the bank and lots of other options, just up and quit in protest. And Wells Fargo, and the other banks that didn't really want bailout funds, rush to return them, leaving Citi and BoA exposed as the real losers. Their employees also scramble for the exits, knowing their bonuses are toast. Fannie and Freddie, the same.
A complete fiasco, in other words, brought to you by our fine Congress.
I have no problem with the government pursuing legal means to retrieve the bonus money from AIG's corporate hide.
I am perfectly okay with the government placing limits on executive compensation at firms that accept baillout funds.
But I am shaking my head in disbelief over this tax bill. It is not right to use the tax code as a political weapon, and that is exactly what the congress is trying to do by imposing a punitive confiscatory tax on the recipients of the AIG bonuses.
Outrage does not justify this draconian, unconstitutional-in-spirit piece of legislation. We have to have some standards.
How odd that no one here has even mentioned the word greed, everyone wants to offer such rational arguments.
Why is such monumental greed okay?
I worked for the IRS as a revenue agent for many recent years. Most Americans, who are being audited and made to pay, are small taxpayers, simply because they cannot afford expensive representation, and the name of the IRS game is closing cases and presenting 'good' statistics.
That the IRS can be used to make some real jerks pay has a nice ring to it.
People say that AIG execs don't deserve bonuses because the company tanked, but I can't say that without knowing a lot more detail.
If George Clooney gets paid $20 million for a movie that tanks, does he give the money back?
If a star athlete gets a multimillion dollar contract and his team loses, does he give the money back?
And of course, SEC and insurance industry regulators are clearly complicit in the failure of AIG. Are any of them losing their jobs or taking pay cuts? Not to mention that Congress has its fingerprints all over this mess.
I can easily imagine that the AIG execs were crooks. I can also easily imagine that the company was making a ton of money selling CDS contracts, and anyone who objected was told "perhaps this isn't the line of work for you..." Based on what I've read, I have no idea which it was, and I'm pretty sure Congress has no idea either.
This is just a witch hunt, and has nothing to do with the real world. I'd say that Congress just hates the pay scales of the financial industry, but I don't think there's even that much reason behind it. They just want their sound bites on TV, to use in their campaigns later (and don't want a vote against this bill on their records.)
If George Clooney's movie tanks or if ARod chokes and the Yankees miss the postseason, they don't take the entire economy down with them. And - unlike AIG's execs - Clooney and Rodriguez aren't being paid for their failures with our tax dollars.
You are entirely too willing to give these people the benefit of the doubt. They don't deserve it.
How about all the people in California who bought overpriced houses figuring that prices never go down? Despite a recent crash in tech stocks, and despite housing prices that actually did fall 25% in some areas in the early 90's.
Are those people to blame at all? Is Congress or the Fed? Or is it just rich guys that cause all the world's problems?
I think this AIG bonus business is just a cynical attempt by Congress to throw someone else to the wolves. Either that, or Congress is full of idiots who argue over a penny dropped on the floor when they've just spent billions on worthless garbage.
Take your pick.
It's all about consequences. Those who bought real estate during the bubble are now reaping the consequences of their poor decisions. The AIG bonuses are all about insulating the rich and well-connected from the consequences of theirs.
We've created an overclass of moneyed underachievers with an overinflated sense of raw entitlement. It's not my obligation as citizen and taxpayer to see to it that they maintain their extravagant lifestyles.
"And the Republic opposition seems to have been motivated less by any principled objection to the bill than by a vaguely jealous sense that the Democrats shouldn't get credit for spanking AIG.."
Yeah, no need to mention that it was Dodd, a democrat, that inserted the language in the stimulus bill that ensured the AIG bonuses. No need to mention that Dodd claims the Obama (a democrat) administration made him do it. No need to mention it was Obama, a democrat, that signed this abortion of a bill into law.
And please don't discuss that no republicans in congress voted for this nonsense, and only three in the senate did- after the lengthy near 10 hours of deliberation on the 1400+ page legislation.
Oh, and be sure not to mention the #1 and #2 recipients of AIG political donations in 2008- Dodd and Obama. You know, democrats.
You're oh so right- why ever would the Republicans be angry that the democrats are now stomping around in faux high dudgeon about aig? The democrats are in no way at all being hypocritical clowns here.
But let's talk about some important stuff- did you see Barry's Brackets? And dude, he was on LENO last night!!
all of the evidence you introduce supports my argument. if you believe dodd is responsible for ensuring the AIG bonuses despite republican objections to the stimulus, then you obviously wouldn't want democrats to get all the credit for stripping away the AIG bonuses now.
and, while it's a bit of a non sequitur, AIG's political contributions lean democrat but were bipartisan. who's #3 on their list?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742426774379307.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
It's noteworthy that George W. Bush received more of AIG's largesse than any other single recipient, and that John McCain was another prime recipient. Let's not forget that McCain's choice for Treasury was Phil Gramm, a primary exponent of the gospel of financial deregulation which freed firms like AIG from the kind of sensible reserve requirements that could have prevented this mess.
Conservative "intellectuals" like Grover Norquist said that they wanted to shrink the size of government until it was small enough to "drown in the bathtub." They got their wish, at least where the markets were concerned, and these are the consequences.
Much as I may disagree, I have more respect for those Republicans who continue to defend the bonuses. At least they're not hypocrites.