Proponents of national healthcare prefer to blame the administrative costs of private health insurance, the bad incentives of private health insurers which cut corners on preventative care, greedy providers (drug firms especially), and excess reliance on emergency rooms.
Perhaps predictibly, I find this unconvincing. Since private insurance covers about 36% of health care expenditures, it's hard to imagine how the savings could possibly be that big. And indeed, it seems that the net cost of private insurance accounts for about 7.3% of healthcare spending, which itself is about 16% of GDP--about 3-4 percentage points higher than our nearest competitors. So we might save a little over 1% of GDP if we got rid of those parasites--but it wouldn't make up the difference between us and high-rent systems like France and Switzerland, much less lower cost providers like Britain.
And as Arnold Kling points out, it's not that easy to get rid of the private insurers:
Suppose we were to abolish private health insurance tomorrow and put everybody on Medicare. Here are the things that would happen.
1. You could get rid of everybody in the private health insurance industry. That would save at most 15 percent of health care spending.
2. There would no longer be a private-sector benchmark for Medicare to use in pricing. You would need to hire a lot of those former private health insurance folks to work for Medicare to figure out what every medical service is worth, to negotiate prices with doctors, hospitals, and so on.
3. Medicare would have to process more claims, which means you would have to hire back some more of those former insurance workers.
After (1)-(3), costs might be less than the existing system. By a small amount.
Likewise, drug industry profits were a tiny portion of healthcare spending. If we eliminated all profits--hell, double it to account for the much maligned "marketing costs"--we'd possibly push down expenses by another 0.5% of GDP. But as with insurance administrative costs, it's more complicated than that. Without profits, no one would do R&D--and on net, drugs save us money, because they often replace expensive procedures. Years of statins are still cheaper than one hospital stay for a heart attack or stroke. And about half the marketing cost is free samples, which most people would agree are a good and useful device for letting patients see whether a drug works for them.
As for emergency rooms, there's not all that much evidence that lack of insurance is the primary issue there. First of all, it seems to be a worldwide problem. Second of all, a recent report from the state of Massachussetts indicates that insurance is not the driving factor:
First of all, inappropriate -- or non-urgent -- use of the Emergency Room was not limited to uninsured populations. It showed up across the board. People covered by private insurance, Medicaid and Medicare were just as likely to use the ER for non-urgent care as people without health insurance. About 20% of all ER visits by privately insured and Medicare patients were for non-urgent purposes. About 24% of all ER visits by Medicaid beneficiaries and people without any insurance were for non-urgent purposes.
Reading between the lines, poor people are more likely to use the emergency room for non-urgent care than those in upper income quintiles; presumably, this has more to do with their chaotic lives, lack of control over their work schedules, or planning skills than the payment problem, since Medicaid patients show the same usage patterns as the uninsured.
Finally, preventive care. It is true that if people with certain chronic diseases do everything they're supposed to--not just visit the doctor but comply with their treatment regimens--it probably saves money in the long run. But this is a complicated problem. Compliance with treatment regimens often fails not because the patient doesn't go to the doctor, but because the patient doesn't check their blood sugar multiple times a day, take their inhaled steroids and pills at the scheduled intervals, cut salt and fat out of their diet, or what have you. Also, people who don't die of diabetes now may just die of diabetes a little later, or of something else massively expensive, like cancer. Preventive care may be an excellent way of enhancing net social welfare. But the evidence that it saves money on the whole is not really there.
So why does American health care cost so much? Conservatives like to blame out-of-control spending. And they have a point; the healthcare benefits of extra spending don't show up in the best controlled studies, like the Rand experiment that randomly assigned people to either a sort of HMO or a fee-for-service plan. Spending on retirees varies wildly by Medicare region, but health doesn't. And so on.
But again, this cannot explain all of it. Healthcare costs are exploding around the world; in most places, healthcare is a vastly more important ministry than defense, and the favorite political activity is arguing about how to tweak the medical system. So why?
To my mind, the real answer is threefold:
1) We pay more for our medical services. But though the pharma industry is important, the real action is in wages. Our medical personnel cost vastly more than their counterparts abroad in almost every category.
2) We consume more services. Americans get shiny new facilities--my British colleagues once derisively commented that American hospitals are "like hotels". American hospitals don't have open wards for almost anyone. They staff at very high levels. Doctors conduct an inordinate amount of tests. We use an expensive machine rather than watchful waiting. And often, those expensive machines catch conditions that never would have turned into anything, which we then treat. Natasha Richardson probably would have lived if she'd had an accident here, because doctors would have done a cat scan, and there would have been a Medevac helicopter available. That's tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to save a single life.
3) There are inefficiencies. I don't mean "compared to other systems"--every system has some screwed-up illogicality that costs it money and makes patients worse off. But compared to what we could have. For example, Medicare pays for procedures, not wellness, which means that there's a chronic undersupply of geriatricians, because the specialty isn't particularly well paid even though the nation's largest healthcare provider is specifically designed for old people. This is madness. But every real-world system that has attempted to pay physicians for wellness has ended up giving up in disgust.
So how much scope is there for reducing our costs, relative to the rest of the world? Some, obviously, though it's not clear that this would actually be a net benefit to either us and the world, since the iatrogenic effect would probably be to wipe out most industry research into new drugs and medical devices. But not really that much, for both political and practical reasons.
Politically, state health care systems have so far proven unable to control labor costs--indeed, the health care unions are some of the most powerful political forces in most states, while the AMA has dominated the Medicare reimbursement schedule. There's no evidence that is going to change any time soon. Politically, also, conservatives have got to face the fact that we are not going to stop providing health care to people who are in dire need, and that this will undercut any attempt to move towards a fully private model.
Practically, we have to pay healthcare workers a lot because we have to pay everyone a lot; in a rich country, wages for healthcare workers are high. And measuring healthcare productivity is really insanely difficult, which makes it very hard to figure out what's worth spending money on. As long as Americans don't want to sacrifice access to procedures--and they don't--there's just not much room for decreasing costs.
That doesn't bother me that much. The mindless trend extrapolation about how much we'll spend on health care in the future elides the point that we'll be much richer in the future; why shouldn't we spend all that extra income on healthcare? Your ancestors spent 2/3 of their daily income on food. Now you spend about 15-20%. But spending much more of your income on clothes and housing doesn't mean that you're starving; it means that you're so rich, you only spend a small fraction of your income on food. When I look around at our incredibly bountiful economy, I don't see any obvious lack that we're creating by spending ever more of our income on leading longer, healthier lives.










"For example, Medicare pays for procedures, not wellness, which means that there's a chronic undersupply of geriatricians, because the specialty isn't particularly well paid even though the nation's largest healthcare provider is specifically designed for old people. This is madness. But every real-world system that has attempted to pay physicians for wellness has ended up giving up in disgust."
During the 08 campaign, McCain said that we need to pay for outcomes instead of procedures. What does that mean? How do you pay for outcomes? Is that realistically possible, and would it reduce costs, or is the point of your last sentence quoted above that there really is no way to do it?
Thanks for your post!
Megan McArdle asserts that if all private insurance were eliminated "At most that would save 15%", as if that were a trifle. Well, given national expenditures of $2.2 trillion, that 15% would be a tidy $330 billion. So, by Megan McArdle's own calculations, potential savings would be on the order of several hundred billion dollars. Of course, few call for the total elimination of private insurance. Medicare uses insuers as adminstrators. That's fine with me. So used they do not add much to Medicare's low cost.
But I do assert that large categories of substantial private insurer expenses - advertising, commission, Wall St size executive compensation and profits - are dispensable. Further, our current insurance chaos uses thousands of differing rate schedules whereas Medicare uses one per region. That explains a large part of current excess costs and the potential savings of Medicare for All.
And part of the reason we consume so many services is because we live in a litigious society, and doctors feel compelled to prescribe every procedure and test available to avoid -- or at least cover their butt in the case of -- malpractice suits.
You write in your peroration: "...I don't see any obvious lack that we're creating by spending ever more of our income on leading longer, healthier lives." But ask exactly whose lives are getting longer, and you'll soon spot the lack you're looking for. Americans as a whole have short lives: the country does not even rank in the top 40 nations for life-expectancy (which is the simplest measure of national health). And a large part of the reason for this is that many millions of Americans cannot afford healthcare.
Tom Lehrer once joked about a Dr Samuel Gall, inventor of the gall bladder, who "specialised in diseases of the rich." The sick joke at the heart of American healthcare is that it focuses on providing treatments for the rich.
It's a bit hard to see from the trenches where I am what would save money. The way the British save money is to not do coronary artery bypass grafts in anyone over 55 or start dialysis then; in older people dental work is tilted toward extractions etc. By a similar economic theory, Stalin saved a lot of money on grain by not letting any into or out of the Ukraine at one point. Natasha Richardson's case could be similar; if basically you don't do emergency CT scans then you save money there. OTOH, if you also want to give what medical care 'might' be given, having the government facilitate a bid basis for procedures might be helpful. I don't think malpractice suits change negatively how doctors do business. Their effect is basically through raising costs to doctors and pharmaceutical companies which lowers the supply of both. Secondarily this raises the costs to obtaining them.
I tend to doubt that preventative care saves money in the long run. Does it really cost less to treat somebody for a high blood pressure for 20 years than to lose them to a heart attack earlier. Remember that as people grow older other parts break. So is it really cheaper to treat somebody for high blood pressure, a hip replacement, and finally cancer treatment and death than to have them die earlier before the other ailments set in? I doubt it, possibly it's the moral thing to do, but not the cheapest.
One part of the picture that is rarely discussed. Why does the physician have the monopoly in recommending services? Why is your average nurse not able to set up shop and give folks the advantage of his/her knowledge? Is the average nurse of today less capable than the physician of the 60's, before information technology transformed the field? I'm guessing not.
Your average nurse practitioner/physician assistant/pharmacist could offer services, especially specialized services in the lower end of the field -- prescribing high blood pressure meds, tracking glucose levels, etc. much better than physicians could only a few years ago. However they're prohibited by law in most cases due to fierce AMA lobbying to keep out these competitors. Also more use of midwifery and out of hospital birthing centers would cut costs dramatically.
But reality is most everybody is insulated from the true costs, so why not the best? Let the doctors specialize in the harder cases. Move most of the work to those with only slightly less education.
Seriously, what part of "She turned the ambulance away" in regards to Richardson do people not understand. Someone else mentioned this idiotic "she should have lived stuff" on Slate today--it's bogus. But yes, otherwise the cost stuff makes a lot of sense
shouldn't have been a reply to you, sorry
Finally, preventive care.
Oh, I don't know. I'm one of those doctor-avoiding men of a certain age. Having not seen the doc in almost eight years, I went scurrying there during a bout with (what turned out to be) the flu. He poked and prodded for about 15 minutes and decided to run some tests, including standard cholesterol, some liver tests (due to Hep A in the past), and some might-as-well-just-in-case STD tests.
The bill? Over $4,000! That's absurd! Blood tests averaging over $500 each?
Time to shift my portfolio towards the medical supply companies.
Bob....really? Was that one of those concierge deals?
I had quite an awakening when my company moved to a Health Savings Account and all of a sudden, the first $4000 is out of pocket and completely uncovered (though tax subsidized by the government.) That covers about one office visit and a simple test or two. MRI? X-Ray? Bye bye $4000.
Interestingly, this plan has repressed health care costs significantly while I've seen no perceptible decrease in people's health (unscientific, admittedly.) People with minor problems don't go to the doctor unless they really need to. Everyone I know gets generics, and many people can now quote the real prices of common drugs and services. With the knowledge of what things really cost, people have become much more savvy consumers, even once they've hit their limit and get subsidized for everything. The company also ties increase in health care costs to bonuses; the more people save, the larger the bonus at the end of the year. It appears to be working considering our bonuses in a down year were still very good due to low health care expenditures.
I think a major problem is that almost everyone is an uneducated consumer. Give everyone a bill showing how much things cost. Reduce the monthly cost but make people pay the first portion out of pocket so they have incentive to become a savvy consumer. Also incentivize people to spend less on health care through judicious use, generic drugs, etc. And those things will NOT happen with a government run system.
In summary it's ok with Megan to carry on spending 15-20% of GDP on heathcare because "we can afford to." This is a new one for conservatives. A couple of days ago we had Ponnuru claiming there was no need for a universal healthcare system because "the public didn't want one." The inanity of both these ideas demonstrates more forcefully than I ever could the total lack of ideas on the right when it comes to dealing with one of the major structural problems facing the country. Megan: we can afford it so not let's bother about it's impact on our competitiveness, and what's become about all those conservative fears of Medicare/Medicaid bankrupting the country. As for the growing uninsured, up 10 million to around 47 million in ten years, well emergency rooms will take care of them. Emergency rooms are of course in this telling free. Ponnuru's grip on reality is even more tenuous. A majority of Americans don't want universal care despite a plethora of polls showing that 60-75% do! The total lack of reality by conservatives posting here is demonstrated by all the blather about Stalin and grain trucks and Richardson....as if they had anything to do with the issue. Happily this nonsense will be brought to an end in the next year by the passing of universal system that provides both coverage for all and makes a start on aligning our cost structures with our peer group in the west. It won't be perfect but most Americans are going to love it.....and this is what really frightens the hell out of McCardle, Ponnuru and the right.
What's missing in the healthcare system is competition. And of course, failure when your competitors do it better. Without competition, you'll never control the costs of anything -- government or private.
Competition is tricky in healthcare. People don't shop for pacemakers or artificial hips. Maybe if there were more choices of insurance companies, but that would be up to individual employers.
Competition can actually be wasteful. If one hospital buys a fancy new MRI, birthing center, etc. other hospitals will follow suit to compete, but the community ends up having more of these services than it can use.
They don't because they can't. Why can't he shop for it?
I'll bet you know offhand what a year of college tuition costs. Off the top of your head now, what does a pacemaker or artificial hip (with attendant installation) cost?
You don't know. Neither do I and neither does Joe Schmoe.
You're right, I have no idea. If I needed one I would be depending on my doctor to pick the right one and my insurance company to pay a fair price for it. Until Consumer Reports or Cnet starts reviewing them, I guess. My point is that while competition is missing, it is hard to see how we would add that to the system, for consumers anyway.
A couple of thoughts, from a guy who has been around this block a little....here in the US, we probably spend a lot of money on care at the end of people's lives that provides perhaps statistically insignificant prolongation and no improvement in quality of that life.
I'm talking about multiple admissions for nursing home patients with advanced dementia, aggressive cardiac interventions, chemotherapeutics and the like for advanced malignancies, hemodialysis, etc. There was a statistic a couple of years ago that suggested that up to 1/3 of the Medicare budget was spent in the last 3 months of people's lives. There are a number of reasons for this, including pressure from patients' families, medical-legal pressures (an outgrowth of patient expectations, no doubt, at least in the psyches of the physicians involved), and no doubt pressure from the physicians' kids'orthodontists, college financial aid officers, and local BMW dealerships. (The latter, I will say, is not as important as you think.)
We pay this extra money for the same outcomes as other developed nations which devote fewer resources to swim against the inevitable tide which is death.
The contribution of malpractice to this is hard to know. Certainly, the cost of MMP insurance premiums and payouts is a veritable tinkle in the ocean compared to total health care costs. The hard part is determining the expense that MMP contributes to physician behavior. Does it lead to overutilization of resources? No doubt. Is it $10B yearly? $100B yearly. Nobody knows the answer to this.
One word about insurance companies. If you think they are better than the guv'ment at doing their thing, think again. Dealing with them is like running a marathon behind a truck carrying a bunch of evil gremlins in the back who throw things in your way like crates full of tacks and land mines. And they take 20 cents on the dollar to do so. At this point in my career, if it's between the tyranny of the government and the tyranny of the insurer plus a 20% surcharge, excuse me if i don't care anymore....thanks for listening
"here in the US, we probably spend a lot of money on care at the end of people's lives that provides perhaps statistically insignificant prolongation and no improvement in quality of that life."
This comment is only half true. We do pay a lot on health care toward the end of people's lives (which makes sense, considering that these people tend to be sick). But it's not true that it provides insignificant prolongation and no improvement in the quality of life. There are a few points that people tend to miss in this discussion. The first is that no one really knows when someone's life is going to end exactly. The idea that some expensive procedure shouldn't have been performed because the person died a week later -- at the time the procedure was performed, it may not have been apparent that the person had only a week to live.
The second point, and this is a crucial one, is that there is often considerable overlap between palliative and curative care. A terminal cancer patient may have a particular tumor that's pressing against some vital organ causing a lot of pain and distress, and a dose of radiation may -- by shrinking that particular tumor -- relieve that pain. Similarly, what to do with a Alzheimer's patient who breaks his hip? A hip replacement is an expensive and intrusive procedure, but living with a broken hip is excruciating. Unless you want to euthanize people like dogs, the humane response is to fix this patient's hip.
Ah, I had a third point to make but it escapes me now. Perhaps I'll post it later.
Ugh...
First of all, you say "1% of GDP" like that's a small number... that's 140 Billion dollars a year.
Second, "we staff at very high levels"... umm, no. No we do not. We make it LOOK like we staff at very high levels by keeping the patient to doctor ratio artificially low because we cut tens of millions of people out of the system due to their lack of coverage. Keep all those annoying poor sick people out of the hospitals and yeah, sure, it LOOKS like you have a lot of doctors to meet your needs. As of 2005, which was the latest OECD data I could find, the U.S. had 2.4 practicing physicians per 1000 population. While that's marginally higher than Canada's 2.1, it's exactly the same as the UK'S 2.4, and considerably LOWER than France's 3.4.
Third, it's not just about saving on "administrative" costs, although the savings potential there is obviously significant. The free market does a lot of things very, very well... but providing insurance at a reasonable cost to the consumers who *actually need it most* is NOT one of those things. In any ordinary business all the profit incentives present in the free market drive the business to get it's product to the consumers who need it most (because they're the best customers) as efficiently as possible (because that drives profit margins) at a reasonably high quality (so you don't get squeezed out by higher quality competition). So the business is happy, the consumer is happy, everyone is getting what they need about as well as we could expect to manage such a thing. That breaks down when you start dealing with the insurance industry, because the people who need your product the most are the WORST customers. They don't make you money, they *cost* you money. So where's the incentive to tailor your business to their needs? It doesn't exist. Oh, you can make a killing in the private insurance business, but not by trying as hard as you can to meet the needs of the sickest people who actually need your product. You have an army in legal solely dedicated to making sure you DON'T have to do that.
Fourth... "Practically, we have to pay healthcare workers a lot because we have to pay everyone a lot; in a rich country, wages for healthcare workers are high." Completely irrelevant when we're comparing costs of the systems in terms of percentage of GDP, not absolute dollars.
The bottom line is that the U.S. has what is almost certainly the least cost effective health care system on the face of the planet. It spends FAR more, to achieve average outcomes, while leaving a huge fraction of it's population with either no or inadequate health insurance coverage.
That's the truth in a nutshell.
Moreover, the wage structure favors specialists, who are compensated more for services that are (to society as a whole) less necessary. The incentives are all backwards. Pharmaceutics are a red herring.
Agreed. However, if we are going to ask doctors to make less money, we have to stop requiring them to take out $300000 in loans for their training. Maybe then more of them can afford to run family practices instead of becoming dermatologists.
I almost find this article offensive. It's full of shortsighted stupidities and unexamined assumptions. Let's start here:
This is foolish. Let's follow the rabbit with diabetes. Preventive care for diabetes does involve "not just seeing the doctor" but also multi-daily blood sugar checks, insulin injections for roughly 5% of diabetics, and oral medications for the other 95%. Let's say you're doing 6 blood sugar checks a day. If you have insurance, you can get a months supply of test strips for the copay on your policy. If you don't have insurance, you have to pay what the pharmaceutical company demands. That's 6 test strips at roughly $1 a piece, or $42 a week, $180 dollars a month, $2200 a year.
Now, if you're a type 1 diabetic and you need insulin, 15 mL or 1500 units is going to cost you about $350. People vary, but let's assume for the sake of argument that 15 milliliters lasts someone a month. Multiply that out, and we get $4200. If you don't take insulin regularly, you'll either die or end up with kidney failure requiring dialysis, blindness, amputation, heart disease, etc, etc, etc. I don't know what the oral medications for type 2 diabetes cost without insurance, but I guarantee that they are equally expensive.
We can, for the hell of it, throw in incidental costs of syringes, lancets, alcohol swabs, and other minor details for let's say a total cost of $6500 a year to treat someone with type 1 diabetes.
What accounts for this cost?
So far we have a tale with three parties: the patient, the pharmaceutical company, and the insurance company. The patient, IN ORDER TO LIVE, needs the products of the pharmaceutical company (just FYI, there are no generic insulins). In order to get those products, the patient will either need an insurance policy or be as wealthy as an insurance company. But in order to actually get the medicine, the patient also needs a doctor to write the prescription. And that's going to cost money to.
So, here's the deal: Pharmaceutical companies act as monopolies and set their prices at will as there is no significant "market competition" based on price. Not only is the target market too small, their prices are supported by the understanding that they will be paid by insurance companies. Insurance companies in turn act as monopolies as there is, again, no significant competition based on price and they are free to set their prices at will. Both sets of companies can do this because there is no competition and because they provide NECESSARY SERVICES that people cannot avoid using.
And what do insurance companies do in this position? They set their profit margains before they sell policies. If you assume you're going to make 30% profit, you're going to charge people insane amounts of money for your services and they're going to pay it, because they have no choice. The problem is distinctly not inefficiency in private insurers, it's profit by private insurers. Sure, that makes me a socialist. When it comes to this, I don't care. Here's why:
Unlike McCardle here, I think people with chronic diseases have a right to life that is not open to callous policy considerations. Why do anything, she asks, since poeple with diabetes are just going to die of diabetes no matter what we do?
Yes, Megan, I am going to die of diabetes. Welcome to my life. In the mean time, I've got other things to do. I'm going to work serving low income individuals. I'm going to travel and see the world. I'm going love someone and live a full life. And for a long time too.
The real problem for you is that the better I take care of myself, the longer I'll be around imposing extra costs on the health care system.
You don't have to pay for your life every day. Why should I?
You're quick.
Dial down the hysteria. The question was about money. She wrote an answer about money. It's not necessarily a normative post, but we can't fix a supposedly broken system without first understanding why it costs so much.
And I addressed the point about money. You fail to realize that money and normative issues are intertwined when it comes to health care precisely because we are asking people to pay for something that they need to live.
You fail to realize that money and normative issues are intertwined when it comes to health care precisely because we are asking people to pay for something that they need to live.
No. We can have a reasonable discussion about whether preventative care actually saves money, and an entirely separate discussion about who should bear the burden of preventative care. Just because I, as an RA sufferer, would prefer not to bear the burden of my maintenance drugs out of pocket doesn't mean I have to pearl-clutch any time someone wants to study just how much money those maintenance drugs save in the long run.
No. We can have a reasonable discussion about whether preventative care actually saves money, and an entirely separate discussion about who should bear the burden of preventative care. Just because I, as an RA sufferer, would prefer not to bear the burden of my maintenance drugs out of pocket doesn't mean I have to pearl-clutch any time someone wants to study just how much money those maintenance drugs save in the long run.
The health care debate is entirely about who bears the burdens of paying for it, whether it is preventive care or otherwise. That is the only argument: Should health care costs be born by individuals, by employers, or by the government. McArdle is arguing that private companies do not add to the costs of our healthcare system and therefore should not be excised from it. In fact we know that they do add to the costs because they are engaged in rent seeking behavior. That is they are using their position as providers of necessary services to charge more than is reasonable. When people cannot pay, they engage in behaviors that raise the cost of healthcare for everyone by relying on emergency services. The high price of health care in this country is systemic as it is dependent on structures supporting insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and doctors--structures that tend to prevent people from actually taking care of themselves. The worst offenders here are by far the insurance companies. This last point is one that McArdle never addresses.
I'm sorry you couldn't follow that point.
McArdle, in fact, suggests that preventive care is a failure because people don't do what they're supposed to do to take care of themselves. In part, this fails to recognize that preventive care is designed to stop people from developing chronic diseases that cost money. Preventive care for type 2 diabetes would include ending subsidies to industrial farming that produces excesses of corn syrup which in turn leads to increased obesity. But that's not the main point. The main point is that in order to take care of themselves, people with chronic diseases need access to the medical technology that is part of their treatment. That technology is dependent on private companies that can charge an excessive fee for access to it. The people who do not take care of themselves are most likely not refusing to test their blood sugar because they don't like it. It is much, much more likely that they simply do not have the money or the insurance to pay for their care.
Again, this is because we have an interlocking healthcare system that is designed to extract rents from individuals with health issues.
And yes, I'm sorry you couldn't follow that point either.
Everyone is evil, and therefore we should never ask questions about the efficacy and cost-benefit analysis of courses of treatment.
Gotcha.
Medical compliance is a much larger issue than who pays for what. I've taken care of plenty of patients who didn't have to pay much, if at all, for their medical supplies/drugs/etc (Medicaid). Still often noncompliant, because of chaotic social situations and the difficulty of adhering to some regimens. And the difficulty isn't the cost, it's just the intrinsic difficulty of the regimen itself. I think it very possible that even with all "preventive" care completely "free" to patients, it won't make much of a dent in either overall health or health costs, because adhering to "preventive" care can be difficult (every tried to get an obese teenager at risk for Type II DM to lose weight? Nobody wants to be obese, but losing weight is really really hard.)
This is the problem with conservatives. Adherence to an ideology that robs you of common sense. You've moralized "the market." It's people like you who have concluded that rational economic behavior is the only measure of moral behavior. That is the thought that lead to AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman, yada yada yada.
Are you saying that if we all just used a gun and took what we wanted by force that "the market" wouldn't be "moralized" and we wouldn't have had "...AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman, yada yada yada"?
Pharmaceutical companies act as monopolies and set their prices at will as there is no significant "market competition" based on price.
Sure there is. Do you know how many companies make insulin?
They set their profit margains before they sell policies.
As oppposed to doing what? Did you think insurance companies were trying to lose money?
In order to get those products, the patient will either need an insurance policy or be as wealthy as an insurance company.
Or they can get Medicaid. Seriously, how many people in the U.S. do you think die from lack of insulin?
You don't have to pay for your life every day. Why should I?
Really? I was under the impression I was paying for my food, water, clothing, heat, and shelter.
Now, if you're a type 1 diabetic and you need insulin, 15 mL or 1500 units is going to cost you about $350
Hmmm, thirty seconds of Googling finds insulin available at 10 mL for $30.99.
I've bought insulin before, and it wasn't nearly expensive as you say above.
i'd like to talk about wages. i'm a physician and every now and then I hear about how we make too much money and we should get paid less like our counterparts in europe. so i'd like to ask the forum, how much per year do you think one pediatric surgeon should make. I live in st louis, encatchment area of probably 3-4 million people and there are maybe 8 pediatric surgeons. 2 on call every night of the year for trauma and emergencies. A regular work week is 80-100 hours. How should our society value these people?
Ask yourself how much do you think a regular nurse should make. 40? 50? 60? 100? Should one nurse's salary be able to take care of a family of four?
how much would you pay a guy to take out your gallbladder?
I think wages do make up a large part but we have to keep them in perspective. do we want to make these professions where the best and the brightest feel like they can make a good living and be happy or do we want to pay them less but expect the same amount of work. or should we just go european and require our doctors to only work 48 hours a week and prolong training past the 7-15 years it already takes post-college.
just food for thought
I don't know about you, but I'm not exactly looking for the discount colonoscopy.
I've been reading Ms. McCardle's blog for a while now, this is the first time I've been compelled to comment. This article is stunningly bad, it seems to be extolling the virtues of wasteful spending. I don't know where to start, I'll just address her three answers briefly.
1) Wages are certainly higher than other countries, but I don't think they are increasing enough to explain the fact that healthcare costs are increasing at >twice the rate of inflation. Also see my reply to Joel.
2) I mostly agree with this point, but that doesn't mean we can't control costs of certain expensive procedures. Japan has very tight price controls, and if they see a procedure is being prescribed often they interpret it as being too profitable. A few years ago they noticed the large number of MRIs being ordered, so they said "OK, now an MRI costs $50." Guess what, Toshiba figured out how to build less expensive MRI machines. Also see my reply to mgoodfel.
3) "There are inefficiencies" is an understatement. Interesting that Medicare is the example given since administrative costs are so much higher in private insurance, but I'll go one better. The Medicare prescription drug plan is not allowed to negotiate drugs costs. Huh? Every insurance company does this, along with the VA. As far as private insurance goes, an entire sub-industry exists just to handle billing and reimbursement. Consider that information technology is a major part of both Barrack Obama's AND Newt Gingrich's healthcare plans.
Wish I could edit the first two sentences, that was obnoxious.
"The Medicare prescription drug plan is not allowed to negotiate drugs costs. Huh? Every insurance company does this, along with the VA."
The fear there, and it wasn't an unreasonable one, was that this would have led to de facto price controls.
So we have to pay full-fare coach for 24 million people? There has to be a middle ground. I don't want a government takeover, but I don't think we should be throwing money away, either.
Ideally, if other first world countries paid their fair share of the R&D costs, by paying something close to a market price for drugs developed here, Americans could pay less and drug companies would still have the incentive to develop new drugs. This ought to be a key priority for trade negotiations.
Megan:
Americans get shiny new facilities--my British colleagues once derisively commented that American hospitals are "like hotels".
In my experience French and Dutch hospitals are at least as new and as nice as American ones. But my US base is the NYC area; maybe the rest of America is teeming with snazzy hospitals for regular people. In any case, the comments from the British colleagues aren't sufficient as evidence for this claim.
American hospitals don't have open wards for almost anyone.
Again, this does not match my experience. My friends have generally been in open wards when treated for temporary conditions. My aging relatives at the ends of their lives got private rooms, as did my friends having babies. But we got a private room to have our kids in the Netherlands too.
They staff at very high levels. How high? Compared to who?
Doctors conduct an inordinate amount of tests. That's probably true, and it resembles the situation in such paragons of medical excellence as, say, Togo or Vietnam. in countries where doctors make money by conducting tests, they conduct lots of tests.
We use an expensive machine rather than watchful waiting. Eh?
And often, those expensive machines catch conditions that never would have turned into anything, which we then treat. Natasha Richardson probably would have lived if she'd had an accident here, because doctors would have done a cat scan, and there would have been a Medevac helicopter available. That's tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to save a single life. What? What evidence do you have that doctors at an American ski resort would have been more likely to conduct a CT scan? I fell face-first onto a ski pole handle hard enough to require 8 stitches and fracture my nose at Stowe in the late '90s, and I never got a CT scan at the makeshift resort first-aid station. They stitched me up, shined a penlight in my eyes and let me go. And yes, certainly it's tens of thousands of dollars to save a single life, but that expense is not exorbitant because it doesn't happen very often. Look, you can make the generalized claim that higher American expenses are saving more lives if and only if you have data supporting that claim. But I never see any evidence to support such a claim. There are a few kinds of cancer for which data reliably show that you're better off being treated in the US. That's about it. From a quick perusal of skiing news and message boards, it seems to me that people are dying at American ski resorts just as often as they're dying at European, Canadian, and East Asian ones.
Feel free to write to Medicare which will ostracize, as in by-by to any affiliation with a hospital that does Medicare business, to any U.S. physician who does so.
But there's more to it than that. Doctors in this country don't, in general, make more money by conducting tests, because of the issues you mention.
However, the health care systems in which they work do make money by conducting tests and procedures, and so the doctors are thus encouraged to order more tests and procedures. You are not going to become chief of staff by keeping your patients out of the hospital, for example.
Medical systems do not pay for preventive care in our country; the incentives are perverse. Hospitals do not make money providing education and preventive services to diabetics, for example; however, they do make money when the poorly controlled diabetic needs to have vascular surgery, or an amputation, etc. etc.
Furthermore, many insurance companies, including Medicare, are now requiring specific objective "documentation" of a patient's status in order to justify payment. This follows on the heels of the evidence-based medicine drive, which is for the most part a very good model to follow. However, it utterly discounts a physician's (or other provider's) expertise or observations, because they cannot be objectively quantified or measured. This in and of itself has added to the incredibile number of tests that US physicians order.
And, truly, it all adds in to the issues of legalistic/CYA medicine as well.
Like most issues regarding healthcare, it's hardly simple.
Natasha Richardson probably would have lived if she'd had an accident here, because doctors would have done a cat scan, and there would have been a Medevac helicopter available.
All the media reports I've seen indicate that Natasha Richardson refused the initial medical care that was recommended by the ski patrol, going so far as to turn back an ambulance called by the resort. This is probably the single largest factor (apart from her not wearing a ski helmet) in the poor outcome, since epidural hematomas (like her's) require very prompt medical care.
Hours later, when her condition worsened, she received very good care, initially at a tertiary level hospital, near to the relatively remote Mont Tremblant. The lack of medevac in the region could have been a factor, but I doubt the lack of CT was. Any emerg doc would have suspected the hematoma based on the history, and a CT scan would only have served to confirm it.
To second what PB said - how much should you pay a nurse when he/she has to deal with a "code brown".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Code+Brown
I really don't have a problem paying decent wages to nurses/techs/doctors.
A Dana Farber pediatric oncology nurse can make 150k with 15 years experience - should they only make 60k for deal with kids dying of cancer for 3 12 hour shifts a week? 150k seems fair to me.
Code Browns are usually casual but nevertheless attention grabbing experiences that one typically encounters at 2am as you attempt to get a moment of respite in your on-call room...
Any conversation about universal health care needs to begin with physician salaries – and whether U.S. doctors (and patients) would be willing to accept a pay cut of 50-80% in exchange for it.
In the U.S., physicians bring home about $268,000 per year, on average. In Britain, the average physician takes home $127k. In France, that drops to $116k. In Italy, it’s $81k. In Germany, doctors make just $56k per year.
Don’t think it’ll happen here? In New York, doctors recieve a $20 “reimbursement” for an hour-long consultation with a Medicaid patient.
The system is already supply constrained. I take some Medicaid patients and answer my own phone at times. It breaks my heart, I feel a little bit like Jesus but the line goes, 'Let this cup pass from them,' when the Medicaid patients call expectant that they are going to get seen for their government paid fee.
Again, this is not a simple issue. As a primary care physician I can tell you that what I bring home, even before taxes, is FAR below the average you cite. (And I'd like to see your data.)
In the US, the education system is almost entirely financed by the learners. Most people who take on the burden of a physician-level education (MD or DO) will accumulate significant debt in doing so. I won't cite figures as I don't have them, but I believe the average (average, now) debt is in the 6 figure range. Also, those people who follow a "standard track" in the US for a doctoral level education, by which I mean 4 years high school, 4 years college, 4 years medical education, are going to be 25-27 before they begin post-graduate training, which can last from 3 to 7, even up to 10 years, during which the debt continues to accumulate.
Medical training in Europe (the countries you cite) is much, much different. In fact, in much of Europe, the primary medical degree is a master's level (MB,BS) and a doctorate level designation is only achieved after many years of post-graduate training. The education tends to be highly subsidized. There is also far more emphasis on primary care and less on super sub-specialization. There are many benefits to their system, yet every year there are huge numbers of European educated physicians who still want to come to the US for further training, whether or not they want to stay for the long term.
In many conversations, I've spoken with physicians across the spectrum (with a few notable exceptions as to specialty) who are very much in favor of a national system of health care, if some of these issues as well as the liability issue can be addressed. And some of them would be willing to agree to reduced income, if some of the other burdens were also reduced.
Regarding your last comment, on 4/1, there was an report about doctors who are refusing to take Medicare assignment due to the increasing burdens of reporting and declining reimbursement. Medicare for all is hardly a panacea. We have a long way to go.
Compare to what is done in Canada.
Waiting lists. Almost any non-emergency (not about to keel over in less than 30 minutes) involves a substantial waiting period between initial consultation, diagnosis and treatment. The waiting lets spontaneous remission do it's magic. And a good number keel over, saving the system substantial amounts of money.
Delay in care. Emergency triage and serious lack of capacity allow the people who would cost substantial amounts of money if there situation was diagnosed and treated in the first hour to pass on. Great savings to be had there.
Low pay for doctors and specialists. A GP gets around $37 for a consultation, and that must cover wages, staff, overhead, etc. So we have the enormous efficiencies of a doctor requiring patients to come for a consultation to receive the results of tests. You're fine. The added benefit is that no one can afford to do the schooling and run a GP practice, so there are less of them. Which forces people to emergency wards, with the cost benefits mentioned above.
Two generations of medical advances back. Cheaper, maybe as effective. Equipment is available second hand.
Poor service drives demanding customers (patients) away. If you really need something done, and it is costing you money because you can't work, you go across the line and get it done in the US. Pay with credit card. Saves the system money.
Negotiate low prices for drugs, encourage no-name drug manufacturers. The US sustains the R&D of the pharmaceutical industry with their higher prices. Let those suckers pay the cost, we benefit. Like the nuclear umbrella.
Train about 1/2 the replacement rate of doctors, of which 1/2 go to the US to work. Poach third world countries for doctors to save education costs.
Shut down medical facilities in remote areas. The emergency facility in our area, which may take you 2 hours ambulance to get to, is staffed at full service only 2/3 of the day. See second point above. The politician who wrote the last report on 'how to save the medical system' made his name by closing all the small hospitals in small town Saskatchewan, forcing retirees to sell out and move to larger centers. Many will pass away during the transition, so all is well.
Refuse to fund and install modern diagnostic equipment. The waiting lists are intolerable, but a quick (4 hour drive) across the line, $800 bucks on the visa, and away you go. Only problem is that Canadians are experiencing better care than at home, and this is creating discontent. But one of our Prime Ministers said that anyone who really wants good and quick care can take themselves to the US, so who are we to argue.
Derek
Rural medicine is a problem everywhere. Do you really think medicine is better in Montana and the Dakotas than in Saskatchewan?
Having lived in both Canada and the United States, I can tell you that for people under 65, the American system can't hold a candle to the Canadian one. The rationing that exists in Canada is nothing compared to the rationing in the US - where necessary procedures are not done at all because people don't have enough (or any) insurance! And don't forget that if you get cancer, you'll probably go bankrupt.
It's easy to bash the Canadian medical system when you know that it will come to your rescue if you have a life-threatening illness. But I don't see a whole lot of Canadians giving up that catastrophic coverage in favor of what America offers.
This comment is packed full of distortions.
Let's begin with waiting lists. Yes, Canada has them. Are you seriously under the impression the States doesn't? What do you call the wait time for the millions of people in the U.S. system who never get a procedure because it would bankrupt them to do it? That's a *lifetime* wait time right there, but nobody bothers factoring that into the average waiting time when they present these little claims. And trying to say that those waiting lists are some kind of substantial contributor to cost savings in the system due to people dying in line is beyond ridiculous.
To continue on, we have the myth that Canadians flock across the border for care. People have been making this claim forever based on purely anecdotal evidence... it doesn't hold up when it's properly investigated: http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19
Low pay for doctors and specialists? A little lower than the States, but hardly low.
Low rate of training doctors? Swing and a miss. Canada has MORE medical graduates per capita than the States does. (27.1 per 1000 population vs. 25.7 per 1000 population as of 2005)
etc...
I don't know where you get your information, but if I had to guess I'd go with blogs written by people who in turn get all their information from chain e-mails... perhaps backed up by some personal anecdotal experience you had which you then projected to be representative of the state of the entire national health care system. Try primary sources for things like this... census and labor bureau figures... the OECD has a ton of statistical information on health care for multiple countries, etc...
Please tell me why the government has waiting lists then? What benefit is there?
If you insist on comparing the care we have here to *uninsured* americans, then maybe you are on to something. If I am injured in my workplace, and am under the care of workers compensation board, the standard of care is remarkably better. Almost no waiting; the board purchases from whoever can get it done quicker.
But you see, it costs them money to wait, while the government saves money to have you wait. Now how can that save money again?
*Insured* canadians have a terrible standard of care compared to *insured* americans. There are uninsured canadians. We pay fees for our medicare, have cards, etc. If someone shows up without, the doctor and hospital swallow the costs, just like in the US. In fact, talking to an orthopedic surgeon who has practiced in both jurisdictions, he said that uninsured americans would get better treatment than insured ones. Oh, he said that if someone came in needing knee or hip replacement, they would book the surgery for the next week. Anecdotal of course, just from a guy who actually scheduled things. His waiting time in Alberta is 5 months. So he said.
As for training of doctors, from '93 or so and for a decade health economists in government thought that if less doctors were practicing, the costs would decrease. Sorta like closing half the Walmart stores would decrease sales. The governments were forced when facing a collapsing system, and I mean collapse, to increase training rates of nurses, doctors, etc.
Any numbers, statistics, studies are meaningless unless they are from last year. And as for myths, again, unless they are from last year, meaningless. Nationwide statistics are also very suspect. Half the canadian population lives in one city, or greater city. Comparative ease of servicing a dense population skews any statistical measure. I suppose we should all move there. People who live in that center don't need to go to the US, because there is adequate services. The choice that I have, absolutely to be discounted because it is anecdotal and not supported by OECD statistics, is to drive 4 hours, pay $800 for a test, or wait 6 months and drive 8 hours.
Again, statistics. In this province, the waiting list for knee replacement (from a diagnosis) is 2 years. The adjacent province, similar to Montana, it is 5 months.
I have benefited from doctor's care over my lifetime. I spend a month in hospital in the '70s, and a decade ago had some heart surgery. Care was excellent. You see, it was an emergency, demonstrably needed to be done. My experience today would be very different.
The idea of a universal single payer system is great. The unfortunate devil is in the details. The canadian system could not exist without the US system to do the hard paying, research and development, and overflow capacity. The differential in waiting times I described above is directly attributable to the wealth of the jurisdiction. An interesting data point is the difference between US per capita income and Canadian is roughly the cost of health insurance payments. All caveats regarding statistics apply.
Derek
ps. As for the terrible burden of catastrophic medical costs. Right now, if I am incapacitated but not life threatened, call it elective, in many cases it is in my economic benefit to haul myself across the border to pay for the treatment than to lose income from employment over the expected long waiting period. That is the reality of our wonderful system right now. And it is illegal for me to purchase insurance to cover that risk. Or better put, for someone in Canada to sell me insurance to cover that eventuality.
pps. There are no blogs I'm aware of that discuss the canadian system. Haven't looked very hard to be truthful. No one talks about health care here. It's a religion, a national identity. A tv interviewer in Ontario says that it is impossible to get a current policy maker or politician on to discuss health care.
Why are there waiting lists? Because we have limited health care resources obviously, what kind of a question is that?
And I am not comparing the care in Canada to that of uninsured Americans, I am comparing the ENTIRE Canadian health care system to the ENTIRE American health care system. One of the aspects of the American system is that it leaves large portions of their population... tens of millions of people... either totally uncovered or with blatantly inadequate coverage. And you can't just ignore that and act as if those people don't exist to pretend that the American system performs better than it really does. If you want to talk about average Joe Canadian having to wait for a hip replacement then you have to compare that to AVERAGE Joe American. If American A has no wait time, but American B has a *lifetime* wait time, that does not work out to an average of no wait time in the U.S. now does it? You don't just get to only look at the people at the top end of the quality of care spectrum in the U.S. and say things like "oh, they only have to wait a few days to get their hip replacement surgery... their system has low wait times!" while ignoring the millions of people that have to wait FOREVER for the same procedure in the same system. If you want to evaluate the system you have to look at the whole thing, not just the parts you like.
Both systems ration. ALL systems ration. Because nobody has unlimited resources to pour into their health care systems so they have to figure out how to best allocate what they do have available. The difference is the Canadian system rations largely based on urgency of need for care, while the U.S. system rations based largely on size of bank account balance. You can try to make an argument that that's the superior method to use, but you can't just pretend as if it doesn't happen at all.
And no, insured Canadians do NOT have a "terrible" standard of care relative to insured Americans. You appear to be pulling your information straight out of your backside. Try citing an actual study if you want to toss statements like that around. I happen to have lived for extended periods of time in both countries so I have a wee bit of familiarity with their systems myself, I could just throw out unsubstantiated claims of my own based on my personal experiences to counter you doing the same thing and claim that my tiny little corner of the world and what I've seen it is an accurate representation of the state of the entire systems... but I won't since that's pointless.
And yes, there are uninsured Canadians. But where in Canada the number of people without adequate access to the system is somewhere around 5%, in the U.S. it's a full third of the population. And that's a conservative estimate.
And as for your story about an unisured person walking into an American hospital and being given better care than an insured person? Complete and total bull, unless we're talking about Bill Gates and he's carrying a big blank check in his hand at the time.
Your continued attempts to claim the Canadian system is training less doctors is baffling considering I just gave you the figures from the OECD. Canada trains just as many doctors per capita as the States does, that is a plain and simple fact. And your claim that the figures are meaningless unless they're from last year is beyond ridiculous. You can't get last year's numbers. They won't be published for at least another year or two. They're still being collected and analyzed and written up, that takes a LOT of time. Then you'll say, what? They don't count either because then they're also out of date? So we just keep ignoring the facts and basing our view of the systems on our personal gut impressions? Do you honestly think the entire statistical reality of the Candian or American health care system suddenly radically changed between 2005 and 2008? Based on what exactly? In 2007 did aliens abduct half the physicians in Canada or something? I think I would have heard about that in the news. I love how you say nationwide statistics, actual real hard data, is suspect... but your tale two paragraphs above that of a surgeon guy you know who told you something about how things work in the U.S.... THAT we're supposed to accept as a solid basis for forming a judgement of an entire national health insurance system. "Ignore the results of rigorous nationwide study, I heard a story once"? Seriously?
I'm a physician in training. With that caveat, my comment(s):
What is often left out of these discussions are patients' expectations. A lot of testing isn't done because I want to make money--I don't get any change in my salary based on how many tests I order. I order a lot of tests because parents come to us expecting us to find out what is wrong with their children and to fix it. Lots of times my initial assessment might be "nothing more than poorly treated allergies" but I still do tests to rule out bad actors, like cystic fibrosis, weird vasculitides, odd immunodeficiencies, etc because a) I don't want to be the doctor that missed a case of (insert CF, weird vasculitis, weird immunodeficiency) and b) the parents expect me to be thorough in my examination of their child. The conclusion 99/100 times after all the testing? Poorly controlled allergies. But I've still run up a huge bill, not because of financial considerations but because I want to take the best care possible of my patients and "best care possible" is currently defined as "making sure there is nothing really bad going on that we might be missing." This isn't driven by cost structure so much as societal expectations. Patients come in thinking that the American medical system can fix all their aches and pains in 24, maybe 48 hours, and boy is it hard when you can't. I don't want to think about the amount of $$$ I know I've wasted on unnecessary hospitalizations and tests, but often what is "unnecessary" is only known in hindsight.
This is a very good point, and furthermore it's true all over the world and most true in places where patients have little understanding of medicine or science. It is true that health institutions make more money in the US by ordering more tests, but it's also true that the patients demand it. In third-world countries you find doctors are giving unnecessary or useless injections and transfusions because this is what poorly educated patients expect, and patients in the developed world are often not much better. What about including this issue as part of health education in the high school biology curriculum? We have instruction on nutrition and sexual health; we ought to have some instruction on how to be a smart patient, too.
From what I've seen, the price of a test has very little to do with its cost, much less its reimbursement. There are extraordinarily complicated regulations dictating what a hospital can bill for various services, which result in serious price distortions. Also there's a lot of internal subsidization that goes on--it's not just that Medicaid doesn't actually pay full costs of the treatment for Medicaid patients (thus, any hospital that accepts Medicaid is subsidizing those patients by profiting off private insurers, who will actually pay above cost). It's also that some areas that are able, for various regulatory reasons, to bill way above cost (blood tests), to subsidize those areas where reimbursement falls below costs. So pediatric cardiology and neonatal intensive care units subsidize almost all other pediatric subspecialities. Billing way above cost on some things, like lab tests, can also provide the hospital with the ability to provide totally free care to uninsured people, even those in the country illegally. Which I have seen done (well, I know one hospital I worked in provided free care to a kid in the country illegally, and it was paid for out of a special secret "slush" fund that allowed the hospital to eat the costs for caring for some patients. I don't know where the slush fund came from, exactly.)
Another point that I don't often see discussed--when people start talking about how we spend so much money on end-of-life or possibly futile care--is that it is in these situations that we learn how to expand our borders of what is possible in medicine. Some would argue that sinking millions and millions of dollars into saving the lives of 24 week premature infants--who would, incidentally, not even be classed as "live births" in some countries-- when many of those are going to die within weeks or months of birth, or if they do live past their first birthday, are going to be seriously chronically ill for many years and big burden on society/families. Leaving aside the moral calculus (how much is a human life worth? Some 24 weekers survive and become fully functioning adults and no crystal ball will tell you in real time which those are.) it is learning how to save these infants that we learn how to expand our knowledge of what is possible. Maybe in 5 years saving 24 weekers will be routine and normal, and the border of possible will be 21 or 22 weeks. Who knows? How can we know without throwing all our resources into pushing the boundaries of what is now possible? Government sponsored research only gets you so far, at some level you have to push the envelope in our critical care units and our terminally ill patients (what if the newest biologic turns a terminal illness into a chronic one?) to advance medicine.
There is one component of costs that you have not mentioned. Healthcare in the USA is not perfect to say the least. Costs for poor and inadequate care overshadow all of the other areas that you have mentioned. Complacency of workers in the healthcare industry due to no real regulation have contributed greatly to this growing crisis. Sadly, Americans have a false sense of security in their belief that healthcare in the USA is safe. The odds of Natasha Richardson being misdiagnosed are most likely equal or greater to the odds she faced in getting delayed care in Canada as countless Americans have died and will continue to die due to undiagnosed or misdiagnosed head injuries in trauma centers and hospitals. What is tragic is that these incidents occur and are not reported nor addressed time after time due to what is permitted in the American system as "poor judgment" on the part of the clinician. "Poor judgment" is not litigious nor is it considered to be an issue to be addressed by American regulatory agencies. Many of the uninsured today were the insured of yesterday who lost coverage through no fault of their own. Millions of Americans have experienced medical error or have lost a loved one due to medical error or other adverse outcomes in healthcare. Sadly, a huge part of the burden put upon many of these individuals and their families has to do with loss of healthcare benefits after no longer being able to remain attached to an employer based healthcare insurance policy or other insurance policy canceled due to exuberant medical costs. Tragically, these costs are incurred through no fault of the insured yet the insured carries the burden of all future medical bills. Most of these situations are complicated and costly legal avenues to cover these costs are not an option for most. Instead these families must endure full exhaustion of resources, bankruptcy and foreclosure before they are eligible for public assistance. All of this taking place either during a struggle for recovery or a grieving process that is unlike any other where tortured families cannot find answers to fair questions concerning the care received by their deceased or impaired loved ones.
Consideration of a single payer system may be a beginning to the only real solution that will release a tremendous burden from these patients and families and allow them to move on in life after a tremendous negative experience has befallen them. Medical errors and other adverse outcomes are more common then perceived as 550 or more Americans die every single day from medical errors alone.
One thing that's left out here is the effect of employer funded health insurance. Employers didn't get into the health business for fun: They did it for the tax incentives. But now that they're doing it, benefits are, logically, one of the things people take into consideration in deciding which job to take. Here in California, people with full-time jobs have a frightening number of tedious conversations about Kaiser, about HMOs vs. PPOs, about which insurance companies are best, etc. Their employer may pick their health insurance, but they pick their employer and it's a consideration.
Let's consider what this means:
With private insurance, the patient tries to keep costs down because he or she is paying.
With national health insurance, the government tries to keep costs down because it is paying.
But with our system, employees actively look for ways to pay more for health care - i.e. to get better benefits packages - while employers play along in tight labor markets to the extent that it's cheaper to pay more for benefits than for raw wages.
Because employers compete to offer better health packages (at least in tight labor markets), we wind up with a variety of levels of care, from fee for service to HMOs on up to those rare programs where everything seems to be covered (in my native Michigan, we associated these with the autoworkers and government workers). This means that people at the bottom of the scale still see what better options exist and do things like negotiating for better benefits or looking for jobs with better benefits. And when people retire and get Medicare, they aren't coming from a lifetime of settling for what the government rationing system offers; some of them are coming from jobs where they had very good benefits. Which is why they negotiate to get good benefits in retirement or pay for supplemental insurance.
In other words, coming up under employer-funded systems, Americans are used to trying to get as much health care coverage as they can and as much medical care as this allows when they are sick. This is different from both private systems, where you're paying, and from government systems where there's only one standard of care and little basis for comparison. All the other factors that get mentioned play their role, of course, but the way our health care is funded helps explain, I think, why we allow it to be like that.
- There may be 47 million people without insurance, but most of those are either illegal aliens or eligible for insurance but have chosen not to get it. I believe that the number of people who lack access to insurance is closer to 10 million.
- The average life expectancy in the US is lower than other countries partially because we count any baby that is born not completely dead as a live birth. Many countries will count a baby that dies soon after birth (within 24 hours in some cases) as a stillbirth and it will not count as a 0 year life. All those 0's have a pretty big effect on average life expectancy.
- The debate about health insurance costs is not whether the government, employers, or people pay them. In all three cases, people pay the costs. The debate is about how to reduce the costs and how to share the costs among the people.
- A HUGE problem is controlling health care costs is that the consumers are not the ones paying in most cases. Our system is set up so that consumers often don't even see the costs, much less pay them. Even when I get a bill for services, the billing is often complicated and disjointed. One relatively simple hospital visit may generate five or six bills from five or six entities. It can be difficult to figure out who did what sometimes. Simplified billing and at the very least making sure that the consumer SEES the bill would probably help. Some kind of proportional payment or rebate for reducing costs would also help.
- Americans (and people) WANT health care, generally. If it's available, they'll use it. Socialized medicine countries reduce costs by rationing. If we really want to reduce costs, we will need to ration care, which means telling people they can't have it. Also, some states are fighting the spread of doc in a box clinics. Walk-in clinics could take some of the burden off of ERs by being easy to access and open for anyone.
I think your second point is a good explanation for why the United States reports a slightly higher (about 0.25% higher than the country which reports the lowers infant mortality rate IIRC) infant mortality rate than a number of other countries rather than why we report a slightly lower life expectancy. IIRC the life expectancy difference is largely a function of having more young people killed in automobile accidents and by violence than most other industrialized countries, neither of whcih have much to say about the availability and/or quality of health care in the United States.
Kling has the definitive analysis of this issue in Crisis of Abundance. Simply put, our health care costs more because it is better.
Less simply put, U.S. health care is set up to insulate patients and doctors from cost-benefit decisions, so much of our spending (esp. in diagnostics) is done in an area of diminished returns (this is why, as an aggregate, many measures of health care outcomes are not noticeably superior to that in other countries that pay less; the first dollar of healthcare goes much further than the 10,000th).
What's it worth to stay alive? In theory, since your money is useless if you're dead, it is practically infinite (leaving aside the question of heirs and their welfare).
As a practical matter, what this means is that it's much easier to get an MRI in the U.S., even if your condition makes it relatively unlikely an MRI will be of value.
Health Insurance in America is so expensive for the same reason that flood insurance is expensive in New Orleans and hurricane insurance is expensive in S. Florida. Too many people use it too often. If everyone took as poor care of their cars, and drove as carelessly as we live and eat, auto insurance would be unaffordable/unavailable too. Health insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions is a non-starter except for Medicare and Medicaid. Could you call State Farm and buy fire insurance if your kitchen was going up in flames and the fire engines were on the way? Health insurance is not really 'insurance', it is an entitlement to which everyone feels entitled. I am an American and I want my medical bills paid no matter how much I drink, smoke,lie around the house all day and eat lots of salt, fat and sugar.
If for some reason you did not have auto insurance for a period of time, wouldn't you drive carefully, check the oil and tire pressure, make sure everyone fastened their seat belts, etc? Duh. That is what they call a no-brainer. Let's move away from being a nation of victims. The solution to the HealthCare Crisis is obvious. Everyone needs to eat and live healthfully. I am a 75 year old doctor and I do walk the talk. That's why I am still alive and in great shape at 75! Check out my website nomoremedicines.com where I preach "prevention not pills."