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May 7 2009, 10:23 am

Is Warren Buffett Brilliant or Lucky?

A whole lot of both, most likely.


Warren Buffett just finished the annual Berkshire Hathaway shareholders meeting, and apparently doled out his normal dose of insights. Should people care what he has to say?


There is one school of thought that says that markets are sufficiently efficient that investment returns versus the market average are luck. This is saying that investors are like people who know nothing about football playing the office pool. The point spread on each game already incorporates any available information about line-ups, home-vs.-away and so on, and those playing the game in the office might as well go over versus under on any given game. Whoever wins the pool does it by just the sheer luck of somebody happening to get more lucky guesses than anybody else. By this analogy, a stock picker is equally likely to pick a basket of stocks that over-perform vs. under-perform the market in any given quarter, so over-performing or under-performing the market in any given quarter is just "coin flipping". If enough people flip enough coins for enough quarters, some small number will get an incredible run of heads through sheer random chance. The money managers who have great investment track records are just those who happened to be the luckiest.


But of course, sequential investment decisions are (at last for many investors) very different than sequential coin flips in one important sense. Each coin flip is independent of all prior flips, but most investors have underlying theories (explicit or implicit) about the economy, so that sequential returns are very far from independent.


Warren Buffett, for example, is famously a "value investor", which crudely means that he expects stocks that are trading "below intrinsic value" will have much higher odds of future price appreciation than stocks which are not. So, in part, the success of his series of bets will tend to be higher in periods where this turns out to be true than in periods when it is not.


The way value investing is often expressed operationally is to buy stocks with a low price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio. Lots and lots of very prominent people advocated buying stocks over the past few months, because the market P/E had gotten low enough that it was at a point where prior investments into the market at similar P/Es had tended to work out well, as long as you were willing to hold the investment for a decade or more. Of course, what Buffett means in practice by value investing is naturally far more sophisticated than just this. If you want to listen to a real investment genius, read this article from ten years ago that is a near-transcription of one of the only presentations I've known Buffett to give on the overall market.


But the basic idea of buying when markets have low P/E seems like just plain-old common sense, and is often marketed this way. You're buying stocks when they're cheap, after all. But is it true, and if so, to what degree? One obvious problem is common to all such investment advice: if it's so obvious, why don't enough investors immediately buy a bunch of stocks as soon as market P/Es drop low enough that they are at a level that tends to predict rapid future price appreciation, and thereby bid up the price of stocks enough so that the market P/E gets back up high enough that it is no longer at a level that reliably tends to predict future price appreciation? Because there are competing theories of valuation in contention, and none can be shown inductively to be correct for future periods.


To take an extreme case, what if one had the theory that in late 2008 market P/E had dropped to a level that had for decades tended to predict rapid price appreciation, but that the U.S. was entering a period of rapid, terminal economic decline, so that the average P/E ought to be generally lower over the next century than it had been in the 20th century? One could conclude that the market was undervalued versus historical norms, but that it was still over-valued versus rational future expectations (which are of course what matters for this purpose).


This raises the question: over what period of time should we evaluate a long-term approach like value investing in order to believe that it is a reliable guide for future behavior? There is good data for prices and earnings for the New York Stock Exchange going back to the 1870s. I looked at every month from 1881 to 1998 and identified it as a High-P/E (> 15 P/E) or Low P/E (<15 P/E) market. I then looked at the annual inflation-adjusted returns (without dividends) for an investor who purchased a representative basket of stocks in that month, held it for ten years and sold it. For each decade for the 1880s to the 1990s, I calculated the simple average returns for this investment strategy in Low-P/E markets and divided it by the simple average returns for this investment strategy in High-P/E markets. This, in essence, created a simple measure of the advantage created by investing in Low-P/E markets for that decade.


Here are the results for the past 120 years:

I looked at several variants of this analysis (20-year returns, different P/E cut-points, etc.), and the relative advantage of investing is low-P/E markets is always higher in the post-WWII period than in earlier periods.


Warren Buffett began his investment career in the 1950s, just as the era of maximum structural advantage for investing in low-P/E markets began, and has conducted his entire investment career in such an environment. Now, there are lots of value investors, and only one Warren Buffett; his implementation of this investment philosophy is clearly extraordinary. But would he have been as successful had he been investing in the first half of the 20th century (or, potentially, in some future period with different characteristics)? In other words, is an orientation to value investing inherent to Warren Buffett's hardwiring - in which case his luck is not flipping a million coins in a row the right way, but is instead the one lucky event of being born into an investment era matched to his inherent nature - or does his investment capability operate at a yet-higher level of abstraction that would have enabled him to develop and deploy a different non-value-based investment philosophy had he been investing in a different era? That's the $64 billion question. Given his age, it's unlikely that we'll ever have a definitive answer.

Comments (4)

C. Santiago 702

Two quick points for your consideration:
* Dividend yields were considerably higher in the pre-WWII period, and all else being equal, stocks selling at lower P/E's have higher dividend yields. What would your simplistic analysis look like were you to incorporate the compounding of reinvested dividends?
* As far as I know, Buffett has never suggested one should always invest in stocks, but rather, as he explained in the 1999 article you mention, that one should look at stocks as only one of many possible investment alternatives among many others, including, for instance, bonds and cash. What would your simplistic analysis look like were you to include even one other alternative, say, bonds, and invest on either stocks or bonds based on the criteria Mr. Buffett laid out in the same 1999 article?

GarpisRich

This article seems to understate the possibility that an index of low P/E stocks contains more fundamentally impaired companies than an index of high P/E stocks. Some effort should be made to weed out the survivorship bias.

Are you referring to this article that Buffet wrote (provided courtesy of Whitney Tilson)?

http://www.tilsonfunds.com/superinvestors.html

Buffet seems, by most accounts, to be the most coherent and logical investor to ever have lived. Buffet's track record, his actual investments, what he bought and sold and when, are a matter of public record. The proof is not in his overall returns or in his strategy, but that he has consistently beat the market averages by a wide margin in both good years and bad.

For example:

Buffet was running a number of investment partnerships in the 1960's and closed them in 1969/70 as valuations went higher and higher. Buffet actually left the business. When the market crashed in 1974, then he got back in the business snapping up, among other things, a large portion of the Washington Post for 20% of its "intrinsic value" as any number of analysts at the time would have told you.

During the dot.com age, circa 1998-2001, Buffet sat on the sidelines while he was chastised for not understanding the new economy while his own stock slid to a multi-year low as a percentage of book value.

And he came into this latest financial crises, having written about the potential for a systemic financial meltdown when he began investing in Wells Fargo back in 90's, with $60 billion in cash, again being chastised, of course, for holding all that cash and SCREAMING about the ticking-time bomb of derivatives (particularly credit default swaps, which together with collateralized debt obligations were a relatively new invention that Wall Street adopted en masse) and the enormous risk that large investment banks, insurance companies (he didn't name AIG directly, but to whom else was he referring?), and debt holders were taking by underpricing risk.

Buffet has, according to his partner Charlie Munger (one of my heroes and no slouch himself), a very deep understanding of many businesses and business models and the economy. Charlie says that Warren is a reading and learning machine that has, for our benefit, decided to share his profound knowledge. Charlie has done the same, and most of this material is readily available online.

I would encourage your readers to ignore your article and for them to do their own research.

Readers can see Buffet's extreme success in action in this article about his investment in American Express (the part about AMEX starts on page 4, but read the whole article):

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/01/magazine/buffet-takes-stock.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=4

Buffet made his enormous investment in Coke shortly after this fiasco:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7209828/

And how does your theory explain Buffet's recent purchase and subsequent sale of Petrochina where he made more than 5x his money.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/69825-should-we-buy-the-petrochina-stock-buffett-sold

He also has made a lot of money in currency trades, which have little to do with p/e.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but I won't. I think you are misleading your readers and either have not done thorough research or that you have come to an illogical conclusion that is not supported by the facts.

First, I think he has not been a true value investor. He made tons of money off Coca-Cola and Gillette, which were classic momentum plays. He has also been fairly ruthless about dumping the bad ideas. USAir and Solomon Brothers come to mind.

Second, the cash he has been able to use to leverage his investments has come from Berkshire's insurance businesses. Leverage helps.