First, let's take a look at the deficit monster, courtesy of the New York Times and
Of course you're going to find conservatives and libertarians barking
at the deficit (and many for good reasons), but a more interesting
aspect of this debate is the schism it's beginning to draw among
moderates and liberals. Let's hear from each side of the debate. Here
are some Deficit-is-a-real-problem folks:Andrew Sullivan:And here are some Deficit-is-a-fake-problem-now folks:
I don't blame Obama for failing to turn all this around in five months, and for running a debt this big right now. I will blame him if he does nothing serious to tackle this in the next year. That does not mean bromides about how healthcare reform will save us all money. It means serious cuts in defense, entitlements and corporate welfare (and perhaps a VAT or a serious gas tax).
Richard Leonhardt
This debt will constrain the country's choices for years and could end up doing serious economic damage if foreign lenders become unwilling to finance it.
Paul KrugmanThis is, remember, not a strictly political difference. I would be surprised to learn if all the featured writers above didn't vote for Obama. But there is a significant difference between thinking that the deficit monster is breathing down your neck or on some far away island, and it has the potential to create serious political differences as well.
The answer, I now think, is to spend the money -- while taking great care to ensure that it is spent well, not squandered -- and let the deficit be. Deficit reduction, on the other hand, might just end up playing into the hands of the next irresponsible president. In the long run, something will have to be done about the deficit. But given the state of our politics, now is not the time.
Katrina Vanden Heuvel
Meanwhile, the deficit hawks continue their damaging and alarmist talk of a federal debt that will soon be above 57 percent of GDP, or 82 percent of GDP by 2019. Just as we saw during the New Deal, there will be signs of recovery during which the deficit hawks will urge for spending cuts. In fact, after New Deal policies cut the unemployment rate from a peak of more than 25 percent to just over 10 percent in 1936, similar calls for fiscal restraint then led President Roosevelt to try to balance the budget. The result? The unemployment rate rose again in 1937 and 1938 and the country went back into a severe recession.
Obama senses that, and that's why we're going to see the return of pay-as-you-go. PAYG essentially means that if Congress spends money in one place, it has to make it up in another so that we're not creating more debt. It's like carbon offsets, but for our budget, and it's a good way to level spending, but it's not going to bring the big orange arrows in Leonhardt's graph up to bold black even line.
How do you come out of a deficit? Tough question. We could have a technology revolution like the 1990s, but that's not likely. Health care reform could save billions of dollars, but that's nothing to bank on in the short term. Ultimately, I think Andrew's right that we could start thinking painfully, for the rich (cut corporate welfare reform) the old (cut entitlements) or the connected (cut defense). But the rich, old and connected are the people who run government or whom the government expects to vote. And Obama might be a revolutionary, but he's not a masochist. So more likely we'll continue to kick the can down the road. The deficit will continue to be the next next issue. And we'll see not the return, but the continuation of America's grand debt-payment tradition: Delay-as-you-go.
*Thanks AK.










The better questions might be, how big will the deficit/debt get before even the Krugman and Vanden Heuvel's of the world realize that it's a full-blown crisis in its own right, and will we have any sort of rational plan whatsoever to deal with it when we get there?
If I remember my basic economics correctly, Buchanan and Tullock addressed all of this rather intuitively (and correctly in hindsight) with their Public Choice Theory. I believe the answers would be that the size of the deficit/debt will only be limited by the external parties who finance it and, no, we will have little or no rational planning for addressing the problem, although we may very likely have an opportunistic political strategy or two for capitalizing on it (see the writings of Grover Norquist, among others).
Failure to deal with deficits and the resulting debt is generally predicted by the concept of concentrated benefits vs. dispersed costs, loosely paraphrased as it's in everyone's best interest to pass costs along to the many, which, although extremely beneficial to the few who benefit from them, are hardly noticeable to the many who must pay for them. Therefore, its in everyone's individual/small group's best interest to abuse the system, and no one's best interest to stand up and demand budget reform, lest they be targeted first/most.
Seems like that explains the current reality pretty well to me.
There's an intersting argument that debt levels post WWII indicate that we can run a much higher deficit without worrying that it will kill the prospects for long term growth, but like you (and my colleague) I'm not sure that a bad recession based on credit is perfectly analogous to the 1940s and 50s when buying bonds was patriotic and savings were much higher.
I think the Great Depression/WWII historical analogy fails on a great many points - different time, different people, different place. The "make work" public works projects of the late 40's, 50's and 60's (notably: rural electrification and the interstate highway system) built the infrastructure that fueled the phenomenal growth that made the debt of that time sustainable. I see no projects in the near future that can rival the impact of those, claims of a new "green economy" notwithstanding.
Keep in mind also that the debt in absolute terms now simply boggles the mind. At some point in the near future, exponential equations working like they do, we're simply going to exceed the carrying capacity of the world's savers to realistically support us, long before which we will have crowded out private sector investment to the extent that interest rates will rise precipitously, raising both the debt and reducing GDP. Throw in Social Security and Medicare costs, unfavorable demographics (young and productive vs old and not), political vulnerability to foreignor's holding the debt, and the total lack of political will (Dems: SPEND MORE (and tax less), GOP: TAX LESS (and spend more)) to address the problem, and we've got an intractable problem in my view.
Best Case Scenario: inflation/stagflation in the short/near long term with associated political unrest, followed by what is hopefully an orderly "unwinding" (default), which will start with benefits/entitlements, progress to basic services, and eventually hit defense and actual bond payments.
Worst Case: Can't even imagine it, but it won't be fun.
It would be useful to separate out the various expenditures under the "Bush policies;" i.e., prescription drug coverage, tax cuts, Iraq war, non-Iraq defense spending, general discretionary spending increases, etc.
I'm assuming that the Iraq war expenditures for this year aren't double-counted, but they are mentioned twice, both under "continuing programs" and "Bush policies." There are similar questions about where to put things as well. The AMT patch has been a year-by-year thing, so it's put under "continuing programs" as something that both Bush and Obama support. But Obama supports the middle-class portion of the Bush tax cuts, but those are put under "Bush policy."
I assume that what's going on is that some of these Bush policies that Obama wants to continue require new authorizing legislation, which is why the forecasts don't include them unless specifically authorized. Other previous Bush policies that Obama wants to continue don't require new legislation, so they're under "Bush policies." But continuing the Bush middle class tax cuts does require legislation, due to being sunsetted after 10 years otherwise, thanks to the Byrd Amendment, so I'm a little confused as to why those don't show up the continuing programs. While that's debatable, it does mean that for fairness letting Bush policies (tax cuts for high earners) expire should be called tax raises by Obama according to this categorization.
I know there will be no progress when no one--and I mean not a single politician, party, or major blogger that I've come across--has an actual budget with actual numbers and actual cuts that comes anywhere close to even approaching a balanced budget, much less any steps toward reducing the huge debt. If anyone knows of anything like that, I'd love to see it. Instead, I've heard that we should cut this or that, eliminate waste, stop wasting money, reduce taxes, reduce regulation and a whole host of catchphrases that suggest a plan, but as soon as I run the numbers I figure that that's like doing liposuction on a 900-pound man's unsightly hands. There is plenty to cut in the budget, but we have to realize that those socialist retirement and health programs need to be paid for in the present or the deficits will last. We need to realize that this military we're so reliant on costs money. We need to realize that all those payouts to state governments distort our entire view of taxes in general. And we just plain need to realize that we might have a government bubble about to burst, though we're probably going to work against market forces since we all love our big government much more than we're generally willing to admit.
Show me a balanced budget proposal featuring actual math before refuting that.
This hand wringing is pitiful. Does anyone doubt for a moment that Bernanke, Summers, Geithner, Romer, Volcker and all the legions of bright young things in the WH and congress, and at Treasury and the Fed are not massively aware of this problem. They also I'm sure have a variety of scenarios for dealing with it. The process won't be pretty but it will get done from a combination of the usual force majeure factors like political survival and market pressures. What has to be done in a few sentences. Firstly get the economy operating nearer to capacity which will dramatically improve the tax receipts. Next start squeezing the defense budget in a meaningful way along with entitlement programs of one sort and another starting with corporate and ag welfare but then making some modest adjustments to social entitlements and how they are funded. Two examples: raising the retirement age by a year or two and lifting the FICA cap. Finally increase the tax take to around 20% of GDP and keep it there for awhile. Historically the tax take has been around 18% for most of the time although it's actually slipped a little below that at the moment. None of this is rocket science. That's not saying it will all be easy to do, prying those ag subsidies out of the ag states won't be easy, but it's all doable if the climate is created for it to happen. This sky is falling stuff gets awfully old. Most of it is coming from the same people who were demanding bank nationalizations, predicting the end of capitalism, etc etc. As ever the US will get through even it means muddling through at times.